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congratulations YouTube you did it

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you wore me down and you sucked me back

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in I have too many subscribers here just

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to walk away entirely especially with no

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alternative that truly stacks up and so

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for me anyway but we can't forget the th

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appear here and even with that

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precaution there's already enough in the

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archive to get us removed so remember

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banned or put in timeout again at any

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time and I won't be able to tell you

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guys about it so if you feel like it's

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been too long since you've heard from me

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here on this digital dystopian draconian

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seeking platform your first step should

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be to check the higher side shots calm

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for the latest shows alright alright

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the planets puppet-masters on my shirt

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we have a plan it's clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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till we've thoroughly tested every last

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see we know the lying to us just don't

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know what to green where would we be

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without it

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a car wouldn't come alright higher side

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chatters if one digs through the vast 40

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and archives of this weird world they'll

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find all sorts of unexplained stories

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encounters with spirits fairies strange

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beans odd disappearances and everything

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in between but there are few if any

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stories that your humble host enjoys

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more than the classic tale of the green

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children of Woolpit the story goes that

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in the late 12th century two very

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strange children emerged in the village

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of wolf in England their skin was green

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they spoke an unknown language and wore

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clothes of a color and material the

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locals had never seen weak from their

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journey from some mysterious place and

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uneasy about any of the unknown food

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items presented to them the young boy

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died leaving only the older sister who

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is said to have been taken in by a local

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and eventually grew up to learn English

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lose her green coloring and speak of a

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mysterious land of Perpetual Twilight on

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the other side of a long and mysterious

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tunnel she says her and her brother

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travelled through from a subterranean

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world a provocative tale that leaves one

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with all sorts of questions and of

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course uncertainty about the validity of

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the whole ordeal well today's guest

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Duncan Lunan is not one to leave

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something like this so open-ended and he

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investigated the story more deeply than

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any other person on the planet he

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tracked back the origins of the tale to

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its sources factored in the political

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climate at the time examined the elite

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class characters involved noted some

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reports of extremely odd events in the

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sky that might be connected and has

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drawn some very different conclusions

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about what might be at the heart of this

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strange saga a seriously impressive

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undertaking that is laid out in his 2012

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in at just over 600 pages to tell you a

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little bit more about the man duncan has

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been an active author researcher

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broadcaster editor critic tutor and more

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since 1970 with many contributions to

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fiction and nonfiction as well as nine

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published books within

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chrystine titles such as man and the

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stars contact and communication with

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other intelligence man and the planets

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stones and the stars building Scotland's

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newest megalith just to name a few a

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bona fide expert in astronomy journalism

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and the strange goings on in the village

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of Woolpit in the 12th century gracing

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us with his presence all the way from

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Scotland Duncan Lunan my good man

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welcome to the higher side oh thank you

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Greg it's nice to be here

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yeah so man I can't thank you enough for

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doing this because there's just no one

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else who could have this in-depth of a

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conversation about such a unique story

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and I'm really jazzed up about it

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clearly when you dig into it this isn't

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some random lore from the old days this

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is a real story with elite families

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involved political intrigue interest

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from the king and a lot of other reasons

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to conclude there's something to it and

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I guess the best place to start is with

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where the original story originates

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there seems to be two main sources but I

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guess to get us started walk us through

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the story as it's told from these

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sources and we can flesh out some of the

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discrepancies and misconceptions along

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the way okay I'm going to start with

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when I fund it because when I was a

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student I wanted to do a degree in

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astronomy but my maths proved not to be

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good enough and I ended up taking

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English and philosophy through to higher

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degree level and in the people's

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specifically the test paper on medieval

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and early Elizabethan Jacobi in

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literature one of the set texts was the

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anatomy of melancholy by Robert Bolton

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published in 1613 and quite

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extraordinary work the album an edition

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of it runs to three volumes in general

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it's a medical textbook but the

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was a Renaissance man and he filled it

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out with everything he knew about

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everything he covers a whole vast

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panorama of subjects in the ghost of

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this huge work right in the middle of it

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everyman edition he has what he calls a

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digression of the air in which he

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discusses meteorology and astronomy and

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in the middle of that he is talking at

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that point about it the fact that people

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like Galileo and Giordano Bruno and

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others have either observed or

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than the Earth's and the Galileo and

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Kepler in particular to prove that the

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planets are indeed other worlds in

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independent orbit around the Sun so

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naturally for his time he reached the

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conclusion but in that case and they

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must be occupied they must be inhabited

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because God wouldn't have gone to the

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trouble of creating them otherwise they

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must be there to serve a purpose and

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obviously that's to support more people

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and right and the very center of the

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whole thing you get this amazing

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throwaway remark that it may be those

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green children that fell from the sky

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which nube against his right solder in

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his time came from vents hmm and it just

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leaves it at that and keeps going and at

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the time when I read it as a student I

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thought one day I'm going to check that

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out the sources were in the footnotes

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Newbegin psious was william of newburgh

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himself as a Ghostbuster every village

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their patch because if the jobs would

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verify this as I said at one point in

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the book it's like having the US Air

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Force leave you with a runway that could

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take jumbo jets suddenly the tourist

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pilgrims of the time who would go to

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pretty well any site that and miraculous

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connotations well in any other thought

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a lot of the supposedly miraculous

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events and comes down on just for really

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all four categories that he feels he can

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rule out their chief one which he begins

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and ends with is the case of the green

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children what bothersome ability is that

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of Scripture which is the whole point of

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miracles he says well I just can't see

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what this is about and I thought I was

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going to leave it out but I have

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interviewed so many witnesses and

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witnesses of such quality that I have

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become convinced that it really happened

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so he then tells the story and he goes

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through his other cases which are

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comparatively mundane fairy stories

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which Eve hasn't actually been able to

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disprove and he concludes that these can

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all be attributed to the activities of

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good or bad angels and then he comes

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back to the green children he since

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about has for those children that emerge

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from the house this is I just don't know

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what to make of it hmm but it does not

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grieve me to have set down this most

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strange and wonderful event so then you

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have William the other account is by

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Shalaby he wrote it down somewhat later

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in his old age but the really remarkable

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thing here is that where you have

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miraculous stories in the medieval

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chronicles almost every time they are

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simply copying one another you can

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determine which one is the oldest and

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then you can see that the others have

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been copied from it usually by leaving

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things out rather than adding to the but

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sometimes adding however obviously the

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same story from the same original

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but Ratliff cognizance coming at it from

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a completely different perspective where

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William says that he interviewed

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witnesses to the children's arrival and

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events over the next year or so

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Ralph is talking from the perspective

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that he knows the family with whom the

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formerly green girl is not living at the

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time of his writing as an adult yet the

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details of this story are almost

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identical but told in completely

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different language different vocabulary

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and from quite a different perspective

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and that is extremely unusual it leads

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you strongly to think that that is

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something actually behind this so having

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got that far and a couple of busts of

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recep's one of which I did in the early

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70s and another didn't it wait 80s shows

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you how long this had been incubating in

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my mind

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and 1993 I was covering our conference

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in London on what became the Rosetta

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mission Europe's recent mission to a

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comet which ended last year and having

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done that and founded my story I decided

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it was time to look into the green

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children mystery and before going home I

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went up to East Anglia and went to Paris

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and Edmonds and out to the village of

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Woolpit

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which is about eight miles away

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and before I went I got together with a

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friend of mine who's a history graduate

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and I asked him what questions should I

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be asking and we worked out the list of

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questions so I got a very warm welcome

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and whoop it and other places I went to

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learned about and I kept asking my

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questions and people kept replying

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you'll have to go to the county records

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office for that sort of thing so I went

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back into Burleson Edmonds which is a

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county town and I joined the county

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archives research Network give me an

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idea of how long ago this was 1993 they

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then pointed me to the card index and

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said there's the filing cabinet where

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it's all kept you just tell us what you

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want out of there and left me to it

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five hours later starving exhausted and

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dehydrated unreal doubted to Paris and

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Edmonds market thinking here comes a

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best seller because I discovered that

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there were answers to the questions and

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it looked as if the line of enquiry that

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my friend and I had WAP tied hadn't been

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pursued at least not in this kind of

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detail by anyone else and the answers

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were there to find which is so much

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unlike your usual experience of

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investigating so it is a contact past or

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present that I thought well I really got

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to stop taking this seriously now in the

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end it turned into a ten-year project

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culminating in the publication as you

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save children from the sky in 2012 and

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although that's nearly 500 pages long

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that's about two subs of the length of

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the original - get ah that was so much

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that had to be left I did simple little

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lack of space Wow so I am now convinced

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that it really happened and we can go

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into the reasons for that yes that is

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some great context I really love hearing

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about both sources of the original tale

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Ralph's and Williams that they are from

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different perspectives just the rarity

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of that the fact that there's no real

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moral to the story which might exist in

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fairy tales and there's no biblical

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elements so there's all these reasons to

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suggest yeah this story is real and it

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did happen I guess when it comes to the

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story itself many of the details tend to

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come out of the children's interrogation

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or what the girl said later in life and

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I guess these would be the things that

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lead people to speculate that the kids

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came from some more underground which is

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of course not the conclusion you come to

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but what about those elements or where

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do we maybe see the story from a

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different angle or take those elements

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out of it or how did those parts get

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injected well they did announce from an

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ancient earthwork

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and that's where will bit takes its name

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from most associates say that it's a

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corruption of wolf pit but in fact if

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the pits are the ones surrounding a

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feature called the ladies well

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due date back to the medieval times and

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seem to be the only ones that do the

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only thing I could train if that's the

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case the pits there are trenches as a

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heart-shaped feature with a Glade like

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an island in the middle of it and for

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much of the time these surrounding outsi

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moats are filled with water um they're

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much too big to be dead Falls they

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couldn't ever have been wolf traps no

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sensible wolf would've fallen into

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anything that big so yeah the derivation

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of the villages name is a little bit odd

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but obviously it does relate to the pit

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and it was from that that the children

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emerged they came out at how this time

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made a run for it across the fields and

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basically run down by the Armistice

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captured

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it was discovered very fast that they

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were green all over they seem to have

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been quite roughly treated at first they

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would put on public show in what

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condition you can only guess at and some

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time passed before common sense kicked

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in particularly because to come to some

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one of the miraculous are not they might

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need to eat and they wouldn't at that

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point they were taken to the home of as

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it says in the tapes wand rich of the

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calendar at wakes now wakes is part of a

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police called net ashore the other

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boundary of Norfolk it's 20 odd miles

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from little bit and to get to it the

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villagers would have had to cross the

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land of two other barons who actually

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outright de Calma and the obvious thing

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fallen to do would have been to take the

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children to Burleson Edmonds itself to

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the Abbey because that was much closer

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and nominally the village belong to the

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audit of Burleson deadens although it

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didn't at that particular moment but

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we'll come back to that anyway they were

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taken to let's chat to counter who is

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almost untraceable I really had to dig

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to find him a lot of modern rattles have

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just taken guesses and who and what he

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was you'll find a lot of books that say

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he was a local landowner or he or the

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village or some think that because the

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little reckoned of him he made have been

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a masterless Nate this gloss on the

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Saltire

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but when I started digging into him it

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turns out there's much more to it he was

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in fact a younger son of a very

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prominent family which included most of

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the bishops in England and a succession

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of royal Chancellor's at least one

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chaplain to the king and one chap heard

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an uncle oppose who had actually been

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Viceroy of England at one point when the

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King was abroad the decals were very

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powerful people it is curious then

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itself that de Cana being a younger son

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should have been knighted it wasn't done

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normally just about the only

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circumstances in which he could come by

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it would be it nowadays would call a

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battlefield promotion he could have been

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in combat and distinguished himself

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sufficiently to be elevated to that

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status but somehow he reached it and

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surpassed it he was in fact a father

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soon he was intermediate and rank

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between a knight and a baron he had at

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least eight and possibly thirteen or

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more other knights and service to him

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which makes him a very wealthy and

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powerful man quite apart in his

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connections but the most jaw-dropping

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thing when I came to

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why's that after the civil war between

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Stephen and Matilda when henry ii came

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to the throne and things calmed down

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three or four years later the financial

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records of the kingdom were restarted in

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the form of documents which are known as

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the Pape rolls and in the very first

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entry the very first paper all after the

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war it has stated that Richard Acuna and

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Richard the Hastings who was the English

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master of the Knights Templar at the

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time have both been excused old taxes

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because of their outstanding service to

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the king and this is any one hand off if

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you do the king of favor you get excused

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a tax or some taxes being excused all

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taxes mixture invisible yeah and for the

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rest of his life and to counter appeals

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in the records very very occasionally

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and only as a rule when he's witnessing

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some document that another member of his

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family is involved in so essentially

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he's like the head of the Secret Service

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he's em if he were as in James Bond and

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this is the person from the villagers

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when we out of the way to take the green

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children to it very strongly suggests

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that somebody had been told if anything

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happens report to solid water each other

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by Gaston and he'll know what to do and

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probably that was a bag of silver at the

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end of the table when they did it so

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already we're finding that there is much

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more to this story than the superficial

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account might suggest indeed I just

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think this is so fascinating because a

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lot of people you know do take that for

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granted as a fan of the story we just

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think Oh a local landowner some guy who

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was probably kind enough to take in the

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kids you know some good Samaritan who

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took in the girl I we really never

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thought to dig much deeper but not only

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is the break in protocol interesting

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that they didn't take it to the nearest

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baron you know they went all the way to

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his place hmm and also that he was

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excluded from all taxes I mean these are

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pretty impressive details in one

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paragraph I had written down here it

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pretty much sums up what you said and

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adds to the fact that there's more

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context here is where you say Richard

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dick

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was much more important than people

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think his family were highly placed

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throughout the Church of England he was

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very close to the king who took a great

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deal of interest in Woolpit and in the

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green children after they arrived the

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event was anticipated henry ii had

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already taken control of Woolpit and put

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one of his top officials in charge of it

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and he put crack troops into the area

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when the children arrived almost

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certainly they were Knights Templar and

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de Calma was an associate Templar his

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manner at White's was next door to the

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English masters and the Pope was at

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least aware that something was happening

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in the area and I love that I mean it

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really sets the stage for some big event

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it'd be like if the Pentagon sent in

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stop people to watch over the desert and

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Roswell a few years before that

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situation yes clearly there's a lot of

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context here that's important I like

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that the been about that King annex in

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the village is quite remarkable because

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you read in the books that he was doing

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this all the time but I've studied the

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history of henry ii in a lot of detail

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i've read a lot of jobs chronicles and

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annals and property lists and all of

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that i haven't found another instance

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but he did in 1160 take the village away

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from the army and Bellus and Edmunds and

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his excuse was he had a pool Clark who

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needed the income from the village will

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patel on time had about a hundred

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inhabitants and was worth about ten

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pounds a year and the pool Clark to whom

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he assigned the care of the village was

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a champion Jeffrey riddle who was

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essentially Deputy Foreign Secretary for

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one of a better world he was just about

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the richest man in the kingdom

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Kant of his specific job description was

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that he was supposed to entertain

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foreign royalty at his own expense when

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they visited England and he did it this

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was a man who thought nothing in those

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days of spending ten thousand pounds on

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a single banquet he was not stuck for

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ten pounds a year and this corner that

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he was a poor Clark who really needed

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the money is just ridiculous when you

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look into it but the champ it seems and

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I am adding two and two and making five

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year but it looks as if he assigned

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Woolpit to a key man on his staff called

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Richard Barr Dada is an extraordinary

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character in himself he comes out of

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nowhere as it seems he's the son of an

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Archdeacon at Lincoln who turns out to

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be working with a cousin of Richard

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decanas there's circumstantial reason to

534
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think that Richard Brown was actually

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Richard to count as godson but at the

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age of 19 he suddenly Rockets up in the

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Diplomatic Service

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he becomes number two ambassador for any

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the second to the Vatican at the time

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when relations between England and the

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Vatican are like the lowest until every

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these because the moderate Beckett has

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just a cobbler to Canterbury and the

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whole country is facing at communication

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and the only ambassador of the Pope will

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talk to as nineteen year old Richard

547
00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:54,260
Barr whom the King has authorized to

548
00:23:58,330 --> 00:23:56,540
speak personally with the thought on his

549
00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:58,340
behalf and try to intercede for the

550
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:01,330
country and in the middle of an

551
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:04,610
enunciated a letter to the king by the

552
00:24:09,340 --> 00:24:07,250
Pope then I think the King $1 works the

553
00:24:11,410 --> 00:24:09,350
book throws an an aside which says from

554
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:11,420
all of this I exempt our dear son

555
00:24:15,419 --> 00:24:13,310
Richard Barr who was labeled so

556
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:15,429
tirelessly on your back

557
00:24:20,899 --> 00:24:17,769
so yeah he's quite something this guy

558
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:20,909
mm-hmm but another nice pegged orbit is

559
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,369
that at the time of the annexation which

560
00:24:30,479 --> 00:24:27,039
was ten years of more terrible and

561
00:24:33,509 --> 00:24:30,489
decades death a schoolmaster embarrassin

562
00:24:36,829 --> 00:24:33,519
Edmunds who afterwards to Paulie orders

563
00:24:40,469 --> 00:24:36,839
and became Abbot went to run on his own

564
00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:40,479
account to protest to the Pope

565
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,240
about the UH Nexen of the village

566
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:45,279
I've talked to medieval historians and

567
00:24:50,639 --> 00:24:47,710
said am I the first one to notice that

568
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:50,649
this is out of the question and the

569
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,330
story that he tells doesn't make any

570
00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:55,600
sense and details not died up it's not

571
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,980
something that would ever have happened

572
00:25:02,740 --> 00:24:58,480
he'd have been putting his head right on

573
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:02,750
the chopping block if the story was true

574
00:25:06,670 --> 00:25:04,460
but he put it about when he came back

575
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:06,680
that he'd got a letter from the Pope

576
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,990
ordering the King to give the village

577
00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:11,600
back which didn't happen for another 12

578
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,990
years

579
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,360
but the letter survives and the archives

580
00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:18,059
of varies and Edmunds addict it's not

581
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:19,620
addressed to the king it's addressed to

582
00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:23,640
the abbot and what it says is concerning

583
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:25,860
the chop shops and merry walpert and by

584
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,380
implicating the village I have given

585
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:30,480
orders that the king stood atomic to you

586
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:33,710
when he shall have finished with it hmm

587
00:25:39,860 --> 00:25:36,840
which is a totally different ballgame

588
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,870
again something big was going on at

589
00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:42,720
Woolpit and the King knew about it and

590
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:45,870
the Pope never dated and there's a lot

591
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,679
of hidden meaning in the text yes and

592
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:51,659
when you'd come to the account that the

593
00:25:55,159 --> 00:25:53,250
children gave of themselves which I

594
00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,169
think we need to Tom - here it goes

595
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:58,020
almost funny the first thing that I

596
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,020
noticed when it came to was this is

597
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:04,559
Willy maneuvering it says when they had

598
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:06,360
land on manner of speaking it seemed to

599
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:07,980
the wise that they might be christened

600
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:11,170
and even that was done

601
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:14,470
and unemployment the narrative both his

602
00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:17,110
and router commercials without

603
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:20,920
explanation go into formal Latin legal

604
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:22,690
balance

605
00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:25,630
and passages that modern translators

606
00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:27,550
have been rendering as he said and they

607
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:30,670
said our actually gave us evidence and

608
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,320
swore on oath and similar formal terms

609
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,360
siren a friend of mine who had a diploma

610
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,000
in theology from the Catholic College of

611
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:42,400
Cardinals and I said to him have you any

612
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:44,710
idea what that's about and he said Oh

613
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,990
everybody knows that and then said Lala

614
00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:48,460
very sorry but I don't

615
00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:51,280
and he said well even today and the

616
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:53,680
Roman Catholic Church a christening and

617
00:26:58,590 --> 00:26:56,230
controversial circumstances must be

618
00:27:01,560 --> 00:26:58,600
preceded by a formal inquiry called an

619
00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:01,570
inquisitive with a small eye which must

620
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:03,420
be conducted by a bishop

621
00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:07,360
so immediately you're going element

622
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:10,150
reading in those times william of

623
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:12,340
newburgh is a can or traffic officials

624
00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:14,650
would themselves almost certainly have

625
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:16,800
been judgment and would have known that

626
00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:21,790
hmm so okay now we're in a formal

627
00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:25,870
hearing and the children are asked is it

628
00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:28,300
very clever who and from whence they

629
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:32,350
where and they reply we are people of

630
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:35,830
the land of Sint Maarten and modern

631
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:38,290
writers have all been fooled by this

632
00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:41,050
into thinking that that is the replied

633
00:27:46,649 --> 00:27:45,100
to from whence have you come but it

634
00:27:48,659 --> 00:27:46,659
isn't

635
00:27:51,299 --> 00:27:48,669
and it took me quite a while to find it

636
00:27:53,399 --> 00:27:51,309
but the land of Sint Maarten in the

637
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:53,409
Domesday book and block capitals terror

638
00:27:58,469 --> 00:27:56,950
sancti martini as the Essex property of

639
00:28:00,239 --> 00:27:58,479
the Church of Sint Maartens Legrand

640
00:28:04,229 --> 00:28:00,249
which was the principal sanctuary in

641
00:28:07,409 --> 00:28:04,239
England stood next isn't Paul's and was

642
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:07,419
under the Bishop of London who was the

643
00:28:12,089 --> 00:28:08,830
superior of kodesh la vie

644
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:12,099
well Ralph ruled his account and was

645
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:13,960
very much the Kings man

646
00:28:18,089 --> 00:28:16,570
and the quarter was back it was before

647
00:28:22,349 --> 00:28:18,099
and after Beckett's death

648
00:28:25,499 --> 00:28:22,359
so again anyone reading that at the time

649
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:25,509
is going to say the Bishop of London has

650
00:28:30,629 --> 00:28:27,970
intervened here he has conducted the end

651
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,639
was ETO and almost certainly it will be

652
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:32,340
because the king told him to do it

653
00:28:38,339 --> 00:28:35,080
that'll just on page look at something

654
00:28:39,749 --> 00:28:38,349
else right dig deeper a pretty clear

655
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:39,759
indication that you want to keep your

656
00:28:43,349 --> 00:28:41,529
nose out of this because the King hasn't

657
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:43,359
mentioned the Bishop of London isn't

658
00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:45,429
mentioned by any knowledgeable judgement

659
00:28:51,419 --> 00:28:46,869
would have known what was going on here

660
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,429
interesting anyway the bishop pretends

661
00:28:56,780 --> 00:28:53,820
not to get it

662
00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:56,790
and he says on phones all right do they

663
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,630
believe in our Savior they're my deal

664
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:01,860
which is the late roediger son pointed

665
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,200
out as a very strange thing to ask if he

666
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,000
believes they've come from a line named

667
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:09,600
after the twisted sin right but the

668
00:29:14,650 --> 00:29:12,930
reply from the girl is an effect oh yes

669
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:14,660
you can't see the police for churches

670
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:17,250
which it's pretty clear that she had

671
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:20,610
been told to see because in the version

672
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:23,100
that she told in adult life she doesn't

673
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:25,900
mention this aspect at all

674
00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:28,030
however there's one more question to

675
00:29:34,460 --> 00:29:30,270
answer before they're home free and that

676
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,470
is does the Sun Rise or set there and

677
00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:36,640
all the children have to say at that

678
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,940
point is yes because it was believed

679
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:42,480
there was no Sun in fairyland

680
00:29:50,030 --> 00:29:45,410
but he can't bring themselves to lie and

681
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,040
instead they say no we come from a

682
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:52,500
country which exists in permanent

683
00:29:57,530 --> 00:29:55,530
Twilight and is separated by a very

684
00:30:00,380 --> 00:29:57,540
broad river from a country of permanent

685
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,390
sunlight they're talking about a planet

686
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:02,970
with a transportation keeping the same

687
00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:05,250
face always towards the Sun and the same

688
00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:07,820
that they live in the twilight zone and

689
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,990
Richard Burton of course knew enough

690
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Renaissance astronomy to realize those

691
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:13,770
conditions couldn't be found anywhere on

692
00:30:19,159 --> 00:30:16,559
earth and that is why he suggested that

693
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:19,169
they come from Mars or Venus because

694
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:21,809
rather than saying they came out from

695
00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:24,210
underground even although they had him

696
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:26,070
out from his death

697
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,220
anyway they get away with it models are

698
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:31,320
duly given that the children shall be

699
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:35,610
christened and having dug into it at

700
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:38,010
great lengths again I can't prove this

701
00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:41,130
and in fact as a child Imperial College

702
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:42,780
who has challenged me on this and says

703
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:44,610
my evidence isn't strong enough to argue

704
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:47,160
for it but possibly I agree to differ on

705
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:48,600
that because he hadn't read the whole

706
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:53,760
book but it appeals that she was

707
00:31:00,620 --> 00:30:56,910
christened Agnes and she married Richard

708
00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:00,630
Barr subsequently well manoeuvred a says

709
00:31:05,150 --> 00:31:02,790
she married a man who was living at 11

710
00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:05,160
is quite possible again evidence is

711
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:06,300
circumstantial but it's quite possible

712
00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:08,850
Richard Barr was living at linton at

713
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:11,160
that time under the bishop of norfolk

714
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:13,080
who had been the principal ambassador

715
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:15,030
and whose deputy he was in a beckett

716
00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:18,090
affair at any rate though the thing is

717
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:18,630
yeah

718
00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:22,170
agnes the girl they couldn't burn if you

719
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:25,020
look out the legend of st. agnus she had

720
00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:27,090
to be beheaded by her persecutors

721
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:29,790
because when they tried to pull not

722
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:32,850
alive the [\h__\h] wouldn't wait hm and I

723
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:35,070
can just picture roots of the kalna and

724
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:38,340
abar walking out of the hearing at the

725
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,620
end of him wiping their blows and going

726
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:42,000
that was a close one

727
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:45,240
we'll have to curse on our Agnes it all

728
00:31:49,910 --> 00:31:47,910
fits and continues to fit that as much

729
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,920
more circumstantial evidence that I

730
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,080
actually admit it is all circumstantial

731
00:31:58,940 --> 00:31:54,960
but as you see there are several hundred

732
00:32:01,340 --> 00:31:58,950
pages of it in the book and the fact

733
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,350
that it all ties together in the way

734
00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:04,500
that it does it's quite striking when

735
00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:06,420
the 14 times reviewed the book the

736
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:08,790
reviewer said alone and has simply

737
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:11,580
selected the facts to fit his case and

738
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:13,170
obviously yes I've selected the ones

739
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:15,810
that are relevant but I haven't been

740
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,390
ignoring any facts that contradict what

741
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:20,520
I'm putting forward mm-hmm I've been

742
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:22,920
very careful about that when I'd been on

743
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:24,810
it only about six months the late John

744
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,300
breathe it said to me you are definitely

745
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:29,820
on to something big here he said if

746
00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:31,770
somebody makes up a story like this they

747
00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:34,540
tend to make it up out of whole cloth

748
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:37,000
they'll invent a story they'll put in a

749
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:39,460
few real place names and names of real

750
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:42,130
people to make it look convincing but

751
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:43,930
when you research it you find out that

752
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:45,430
those people couldn't have been in those

753
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:47,380
places on those times and the story

754
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:50,200
falls apart so that a fictitious story

755
00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:51,940
will not stand up to the kind of

756
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:53,590
detailed examination you're giving it

757
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:55,870
mm-hmm and at that point he said if it's

758
00:33:00,050 --> 00:32:57,730
not extraterrestrial content you've got

759
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:00,060
the political thriller of all time haha

760
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:03,100
indeed so that would be the question I

761
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:05,230
would ask you is what about that tunnel

762
00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:06,850
aspect because I think a lot of people

763
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:08,680
who know this story might be confused

764
00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:10,510
right now in thinking well I thought one

765
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:12,280
of the major details was that they

766
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:15,370
traveled through a tunnel from somewhere

767
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:17,320
subterranean because they were watching

768
00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:19,090
over their father's livestock and they

769
00:33:23,550 --> 00:33:21,220
heard some kind of bells or chimes and

770
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:23,560
they just followed it and then emerged

771
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:25,630
in the surface world where does that

772
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:28,510
detail come up and why do you think that

773
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:32,710
part might not be the literal truth well

774
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:35,320
I mentioned that little only a very few

775
00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:37,930
differences between William Anu but is

776
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:40,780
account and Ralph of collisions that's

777
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:42,600
one of them I'll come to it in a moment

778
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:45,280
the other one which somebody's almost

779
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:48,400
bound to come up with is that William a

780
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:49,960
new that it says the event happened

781
00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:52,530
during the reign of King Stephen

782
00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:55,150
that is not compatible with ralph of

783
00:34:02,000 --> 00:33:57,640
koba tools again he didn't go to

784
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:02,010
commercial until 11 60 at the earliest

785
00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:04,809
he wasn't old enough and he was applied

786
00:34:10,649 --> 00:34:06,940
at Donald and Kim Burchard before life

787
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:10,659
and Richard Acuna died in 1189 so you've

788
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:12,490
got a feeling narrow chain slot in which

789
00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:15,129
these events could have occurred and in

790
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:16,929
particular for the calendar to have been

791
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:19,960
visiting Ralph when the girl was an

792
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:23,679
adult and it's got to be in the reign of

793
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,240
Henry the second to fit those facts and

794
00:34:32,099 --> 00:34:30,639
whoever told william of newburgh

795
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:32,109
that it happened in the reign of King

796
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:34,929
Stephen was either getting confused as

797
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:37,750
could well have been the case or because

798
00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:39,879
they said happened during the trouble

799
00:34:44,849 --> 00:34:41,909
while it happened when the army was here

800
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:44,859
you've got two time slots for that in

801
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:47,590
receiving train and in Henry the seconds

802
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:50,530
and apparently people interviewing all

803
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:52,210
people know about World War one and

804
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:54,310
about the Blitz people get the e reads

805
00:34:59,490 --> 00:34:56,310
mixed up as to which war they were then

806
00:35:02,160 --> 00:34:59,500
happens even today so that probably

807
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,170
accounts for that now the other major

808
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,720
difference as in Rafah kaga shalls'

809
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:07,119
account and remember this is the girl

810
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:09,670
speaking as an adult she tells this

811
00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:12,750
story about following the sound of bells

812
00:35:18,060 --> 00:35:15,220
wandering through a network of caves and

813
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:18,070
coming out and wildered this kind sembly

814
00:35:23,849 --> 00:35:20,950
is not physically possible walter stands

815
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:23,859
on pleistocene qui what a table even now

816
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:26,590
is only a few feet below the surface in

817
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:28,750
medieval times it was surrounded by

818
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:31,240
swamp and buildings doesn't even have

819
00:35:35,490 --> 00:35:33,220
foundations they were built on wooden

820
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:35,500
Raftis set in the surface of the gund

821
00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:37,630
aerial archaeologists know you swoon

822
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:41,619
their memories and there's no network of

823
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:43,630
caves it doesn't and couldn't exist

824
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:47,070
hmm but in the trial as described by

825
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:50,350
William which is the earlier account

826
00:35:54,830 --> 00:35:52,900
he's been interviewing witnesses to the

827
00:35:57,509 --> 00:35:54,840
events when the children were children

828
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:57,519
what they are asked

829
00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:01,119
hold it again here and they say oh well

830
00:36:06,209 --> 00:36:03,519
we don't know it happened because we

831
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:06,219
were out with our father's livestock on

832
00:36:12,179 --> 00:36:09,249
a certain day and the Latin construction

833
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:12,189
here is very strong positive it happened

834
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:15,640
because they were out on that day with

835
00:36:19,469 --> 00:36:17,049
the lime storm in other words they

836
00:36:21,659 --> 00:36:19,479
shouldn't have been and they held a

837
00:36:23,429 --> 00:36:21,669
great sound and at this point and most

838
00:36:25,499 --> 00:36:23,439
modern accounts he gets a Laden and says

839
00:36:27,749 --> 00:36:25,509
we have the great sound of the bells of

840
00:36:30,929 --> 00:36:27,759
Ellison Edmund what they actually said

841
00:36:33,299 --> 00:36:30,939
was they have a sound like the bells of

842
00:36:35,779 --> 00:36:33,309
Barisan Eddins possibly some kind of

843
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:35,789
alarm because the next line goes and

844
00:36:41,309 --> 00:36:38,890
then suddenly as if placed in some

845
00:36:44,219 --> 00:36:41,319
absence of mind we found ourselves in

846
00:36:47,969 --> 00:36:44,229
the field where you were reaping hmm as

847
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:47,979
an instantaneous transition and the most

848
00:36:53,969 --> 00:36:50,649
striking thing in it to my mind as a kid

849
00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:53,979
not only knows what amnezia is she knows

850
00:37:00,449 --> 00:36:57,369
she hasn't got it suddenly as if placed

851
00:37:02,279 --> 00:37:00,459
in some absence of mind she is not run

852
00:37:06,749 --> 00:37:02,289
away from some limited tribe living in

853
00:37:08,399 --> 00:37:06,759
the woods she is educated but I think

854
00:37:10,139 --> 00:37:08,409
the children probably did have more of

855
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:10,149
an understanding of what attempted and

856
00:37:14,879 --> 00:37:13,209
waiting on at this point shows them they

857
00:37:17,939 --> 00:37:14,889
don't want probably to get drawn into

858
00:37:19,409 --> 00:37:17,949
the details but it does hold as if we're

859
00:37:22,379 --> 00:37:19,419
talking about some form of matter

860
00:37:24,299 --> 00:37:22,389
transmission rate and this is where we

861
00:37:25,769 --> 00:37:24,309
probably also have to throw in the point

862
00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:25,779
that the children were unquestionably

863
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:27,580
human

864
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:29,890
one of numerous says the girl married I

865
00:37:36,539 --> 00:37:33,250
think I've identified her as the wife

866
00:37:39,809 --> 00:37:36,549
all go to bar Agnes

867
00:37:42,569 --> 00:37:39,819
and if so she had two children and I

868
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:42,579
traced both of the lines of descent one

869
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:44,890
for over a century after the event and

870
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:47,170
the other all the way down to the

871
00:37:54,499 --> 00:37:51,660
present remarkably enough one of the

872
00:37:58,289 --> 00:37:54,509
descendants of Agnes bar in the present

873
00:38:03,059 --> 00:37:58,299
whomever she was is the Covenant turn

874
00:38:05,339 --> 00:38:03,069
previous arils fellows and a noble line

875
00:38:07,939 --> 00:38:05,349
in its come incarnation going back

876
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:07,949
several hundred years and of distinction

877
00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:10,660
the father of the present arrow boys

878
00:38:13,979 --> 00:38:12,759
deputy leader of the House of Lords

879
00:38:17,099 --> 00:38:13,989
under Bobby Satcher

880
00:38:19,229 --> 00:38:17,109
and when the slot came out he was

881
00:38:22,319 --> 00:38:19,239
actually outed by a Scottish people call

882
00:38:24,089 --> 00:38:22,329
the evening times after several larger

883
00:38:26,729 --> 00:38:24,099
people said there had refused to publish

884
00:38:28,799 --> 00:38:26,739
the name and he thought it was a head he

885
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:28,809
gave them a quote under the headline

886
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:31,209
Tory peeled descended from green woman

887
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:34,209
from out of space he said it sounds

888
00:38:37,469 --> 00:38:34,630
bizarre

889
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:37,479
I knew my ancestors would colorful but

890
00:38:42,509 --> 00:38:40,569
not that colorful hmm haha so I'd like

891
00:38:44,189 --> 00:38:42,519
to him and said and very glad you've

892
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:44,199
taken this in such good part because I

893
00:38:48,569 --> 00:38:45,849
wasn't sure how to approach you with it

894
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:48,579
and you know but I can add several

895
00:38:52,739 --> 00:38:50,140
hundred years to that branch of your

896
00:38:54,509 --> 00:38:52,749
family tree going back and he wrote Bank

897
00:38:55,799 --> 00:38:54,519
saying never mind the family tree tell

898
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:55,809
me about the green woman from outer

899
00:39:04,229 --> 00:39:00,880
space but she was she was human she

900
00:39:06,959 --> 00:39:04,239
married she had children and both

901
00:39:08,219 --> 00:39:06,969
chronicles are very definite that once

902
00:39:10,699 --> 00:39:08,229
they'd lost the green colour

903
00:39:13,429 --> 00:39:10,709
the children were indistinguishable from

904
00:39:17,999 --> 00:39:13,439
the regular inhabitants of East Anglia

905
00:39:21,179 --> 00:39:18,009
right we're talking about some kind of

906
00:39:23,579 --> 00:39:21,189
settlement that they were in which has

907
00:39:26,549 --> 00:39:23,589
been established probably by mass

908
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:26,559
abduction for experimental purposes and

909
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:27,910
I've definitely closed that that's the

910
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:29,250
case

911
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:33,140
um it's the x-files and it all century

912
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:36,599
yes I do love that phrase it's being

913
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,430
done with the knowledge if not the

914
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:40,320
active connivance of at least some of

915
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,930
the terrestrial authorities right when I

916
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:44,640
serve the Templars the king of the pool

917
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,770
they at least know about it so that

918
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:48,900
becomes the theory that we have a

919
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:50,970
situation where the government is

920
00:39:55,870 --> 00:39:52,740
involved with the ETS there's mass

921
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:55,880
abductions going on how do we explain

922
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:00,119
the green color well they're really

923
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:02,010
extraordinary thing he up to my mind is

924
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:04,820
that nobody actually looks at the text

925
00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:07,910
when as an adult she was asked about it

926
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:11,580
she replied that all the people and all

927
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:14,040
the things in that land but the context

928
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,690
imply that she's talking about plants

929
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:18,240
all the people in all the plants in that

930
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:20,130
land were dyed with the same green color

931
00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:25,619
as vegetable dye and why are they all

932
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:27,700
wearing it

933
00:40:33,110 --> 00:40:30,390
now Enron second

934
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,120
and I dedicated my book to the principal

935
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,040
teacher of latinum my old school I could

936
00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:36,720
never have done this but for his efforts

937
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,390
back then I shined over and over again I

938
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:41,280
had to look very hard at the lighted

939
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:43,830
accounts either at the literal

940
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,440
translation or in some cases figurative

941
00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:49,140
translation well in Latin you can say

942
00:40:55,150 --> 00:40:51,840
the same thing on different things and

943
00:40:58,340 --> 00:40:55,160
the same warmth in some cases in both

944
00:41:00,800 --> 00:40:58,350
accounts both Williams and Ralph's when

945
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,810
the children say we were following our

946
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:03,240
father's crops our travel helps I've

947
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:05,940
ever thought the verb is passive it

948
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:08,310
actually says the animals were being

949
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:10,950
followed it could be that there was

950
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:13,260
something else following them

951
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:16,920
and looking for an explanation in

952
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:18,570
Richard Dawkins book I'd rather write

953
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:20,970
Avedon I came across a fascinating

954
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:23,970
chapter on predator eyesight and what

955
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:26,950
she is emphasizing the fact that

956
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:28,750
predators eyesight gets very highly

957
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:30,670
specialized through evolutionary

958
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,490
processes famously the frogs doubts the

959
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:34,960
death it's surrounded by dead flies

960
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:37,240
because it has to see movement to

961
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:40,300
recognize prey mm-hmm but all our bills

962
00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:43,570
are the eyesight adapted to the season

963
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:45,640
in which they announce from hibernation

964
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:48,730
and have to hunt right away to build up

965
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,210
the store of fat again and giant cats

966
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:54,160
have profound times of day at which they

967
00:41:59,010 --> 00:41:56,170
hunt and that I say it is adapted to

968
00:42:02,970 --> 00:41:59,020
those times so if there's something

969
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:02,980
coming all over the river to hunt which

970
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:05,410
is accustomed to permanent bright

971
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:07,240
daylight

972
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:09,880
and there's no hunting and Twilight if

973
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:12,910
you died yourself the same color as the

974
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,910
vegetation and you stand still perhaps

975
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,680
it can't save

976
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:19,930
because there's no mention of the

977
00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:23,920
animals being died perhaps in that

978
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:26,260
situation that whatever it is it'll take

979
00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:28,690
a lamb and not a child hmm

980
00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:31,000
which takes us back towards the

981
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,900
experimental idea who has set this

982
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,839
situation up and who's watching and what

983
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:40,240
are they trying to learn from it that

984
00:42:43,819 --> 00:42:41,770
people behind this may not be awfully

985
00:42:46,829 --> 00:42:43,829
nice people at least by our standards

986
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:46,839
but we don't know who they are there's

987
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:49,630
very little if any indication include

988
00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:52,750
what is actually behind this but whoever

989
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:55,000
they are it seems that they can walk

990
00:43:00,299 --> 00:42:57,569
between the worlds and do as they roll

991
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:00,309
right you know you mentioned this

992
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:03,220
isolating this to that very narrow time

993
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:06,329
slot in which it could be possible and

994
00:43:10,529 --> 00:43:08,740
1173 is the year you've pinned down for

995
00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:10,539
the emergence of the green children and

996
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:13,150
as you say in the book it was the peak

997
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:15,910
year for the 12th century solar activity

998
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,670
you say in the summer in Scotland and

999
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:21,520
extraordinary star was recorded as being

1000
00:43:26,549 --> 00:43:23,980
seen motionless in the West by day and

1001
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:26,559
night in September in Scotland there was

1002
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,490
a two-hour Solar obscuration at noon

1003
00:43:35,609 --> 00:43:32,890
with no clouds or a clip so the Sun is

1004
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:35,619
being blocked for two hours with nothing

1005
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:38,230
else in the sky and in England reported

1006
00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:42,910
in 1172 just a year before the proposed

1007
00:43:48,269 --> 00:43:45,430
year of the children two moons were seen

1008
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,279
in the sky that year so these are all

1009
00:43:54,539 --> 00:43:51,520
very really weird interesting things to

1010
00:43:56,339 --> 00:43:54,549
have recorded even just on their own but

1011
00:43:59,370 --> 00:43:56,349
you think these elements are too strange

1012
00:44:01,319 --> 00:43:59,380
to not be connected somehow right yeah

1013
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:01,329
there was a huge amount of a little

1014
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:03,910
activity at that time and if you look at

1015
00:44:07,319 --> 00:44:05,349
the tree-ring graphs and other

1016
00:44:11,099 --> 00:44:07,329
indications of how active the Sun was

1017
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:11,109
there's a spike in 1173 a spike on what

1018
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:12,970
is already a very high peak the highest

1019
00:44:18,750 --> 00:44:15,010
peak of solar activity since the Bronze

1020
00:44:21,089 --> 00:44:18,760
Age and yeah extraordinary things were

1021
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:21,099
going on in the sky those one account

1022
00:44:27,250 --> 00:44:23,109
and it sounds very much like a

1023
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:28,840
a little support appears to be a sonic

1024
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:31,550
boom has held all over England and Wales

1025
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:34,640
and Ireland something definitely wasn't

1026
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:36,110
synchronized with the decision of the

1027
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:38,510
Alpha when that was happening sulla I

1028
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:41,510
went to a physicist friend and I said to

1029
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:43,750
him right imagine a matter transmitter

1030
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:45,740
you've got a planet with a

1031
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,140
transportation at one end which because

1032
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:50,960
of its very slow rotation presumably has

1033
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:53,630
no magnetic field and at this end you've

1034
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:56,090
got the Earth's magnetic field violently

1035
00:45:00,310 --> 00:44:58,970
disturbed can you visualize a matter

1036
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:00,320
transmittal that will start having

1037
00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:03,050
accidents in that situation and he said

1038
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:05,360
oh yes tell me what makes it go wrong

1039
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:06,770
and it's much easier to figure than it

1040
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:09,230
how it works so he came out with a

1041
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:11,720
purely theoretical account of a matter

1042
00:45:18,190 --> 00:45:14,330
transmittal that mate indeed generate

1043
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:18,200
these effects so maybe that is indeed

1044
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:20,570
what's going on what I have found

1045
00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:23,140
looking around for similar events is

1046
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:26,080
that there are clusters of them and

1047
00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:30,560
medieval times and yeah the occurred

1048
00:45:35,110 --> 00:45:33,350
when the Sun is disturbed in the same

1049
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:35,120
chronicles and in the same places where

1050
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:37,010
you find accounts of violent a total

1051
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:39,110
displays in the light you tend to find

1052
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,300
people appearing and disappearing and

1053
00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:43,760
lots of correlations when you look into

1054
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:46,340
those stories in depth you start finding

1055
00:45:51,610 --> 00:45:49,220
connections with wilpert that is

1056
00:45:54,610 --> 00:45:51,620
fascinating that this could be part of

1057
00:45:56,530 --> 00:45:54,620
our larger tapestry of situations that

1058
00:46:00,070 --> 00:45:56,540
are kind of similar yeah

1059
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,080
it isn't that common for appearances and

1060
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:03,440
disappearances to a code as recorded in

1061
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:06,230
chronicles usually with an index entry

1062
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:08,900
from a Victorian chronicler C compilers

1063
00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:10,910
I should say additive thing and putting

1064
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:13,460
it down as legend but you want to look

1065
00:46:17,530 --> 00:46:15,250
long around at some of these legends

1066
00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:17,540
especially when you find out the people

1067
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,580
owning the ground where these events

1068
00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:22,160
happened also have connections to whoop

1069
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:24,320
it off to other people in the green

1070
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:27,560
children's story right there's an awful

1071
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:31,690
lot here and read the book

1072
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:35,420
yes there is I hope us wanted to call it

1073
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:38,210
a textbook in the introduction but just

1074
00:46:44,589 --> 00:46:41,210
the idea of a textbook on such a strange

1075
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:44,599
little story is just so foreign to

1076
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:46,609
people but I mean that is what it feels

1077
00:46:52,509 --> 00:46:50,510
like it's very heavy and it's dense and

1078
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:52,519
I mean that's great that's a good thing

1079
00:46:58,180 --> 00:46:54,230
for a story like this when you're trying

1080
00:47:00,730 --> 00:46:58,190
to find some credible answers and follow

1081
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,740
every last lead it's important and I'm

1082
00:47:06,279 --> 00:47:02,319
glad you did the work

1083
00:47:09,789 --> 00:47:06,289
well yes I felt that in order to put it

1084
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:09,799
into print at all I had to justify what

1085
00:47:15,549 --> 00:47:12,049
I was saying as fully as I could provide

1086
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:15,559
the references even at that in having to

1087
00:47:20,859 --> 00:47:18,410
a budget for publication I'd been taken

1088
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:20,869
to task because I haven't given every

1089
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:22,760
single reference and in some cases

1090
00:47:27,579 --> 00:47:24,529
parents'll I did things I thought

1091
00:47:29,769 --> 00:47:27,589
omission now but yeah I put in as much

1092
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:29,779
as I possibly could within the length on

1093
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:32,990
the shown alignment and for years and

1094
00:47:36,970 --> 00:47:35,450
years before that people had been saying

1095
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:36,980
to me why don't you publish it as

1096
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:39,470
fiction why don't you do the sensational

1097
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:41,930
okay forget all the historical facts and

1098
00:47:47,499 --> 00:47:45,200
just overly dramatic I can't say no if I

1099
00:47:50,589 --> 00:47:47,509
do that particularly if I dramatizing

1100
00:47:52,059 --> 00:47:50,599
mmm if I do that at all people won't be

1101
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:52,069
able to tell what's real and what's not

1102
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:52,490
real

1103
00:47:57,130 --> 00:47:54,529
and so they'll just dismiss it also

1104
00:48:00,160 --> 00:47:57,140
until I had to publish this book to get

1105
00:48:01,390 --> 00:48:00,170
it all on record but the timer's very

1106
00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:01,400
possibly come my thing

1107
00:48:06,430 --> 00:48:03,500
to do it in a more accessible form shall

1108
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,440
we see on which I can see if you want to

1109
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:08,720
know more the full of details on in

1110
00:48:13,329 --> 00:48:11,390
children from the sky but for the moment

1111
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:13,339
children from the sky is available and

1112
00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:16,430
from the publishers and I feel like I

1113
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:18,140
could almost honestly it's James Joyce

1114
00:48:21,249 --> 00:48:19,880
and say it took me 10 years to write it

1115
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:21,259
at least you could do is take 10 years

1116
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:25,190
to read it hahaha but definitely I am

1117
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:27,410
looking for publishers to go forward

1118
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:29,180
with office if there are any out there

1119
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:32,210
listening I'd love to hear from ya I

1120
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:33,710
would love to see that happen

1121
00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:35,690
and I guess I'm curious are there any

1122
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,799
other topics getting your attention

1123
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:38,720
anymore books plan you mentioned there

1124
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:41,690
is one about to release right right as

1125
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:44,100
another first and my back gun

1126
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:49,020
in 1989 I edited for a small firm called

1127
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:52,410
Omni press the first ever anthology of

1128
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,550
science fiction by Scottish writers and

1129
00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:58,020
it's off of the fate of the first of its

1130
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:00,330
kind ed people said well why should you

1131
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:02,370
do that and surely the Scots don't have

1132
00:49:07,460 --> 00:49:04,770
anything to say it surely it's parochial

1133
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:07,470
and as I said to one editor Ray Bradbury

1134
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,150
says all this stuff in small towns and

1135
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,040
Kansas why should something by a

1136
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:13,560
Scottish Rite of be parochial but the

1137
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:15,240
book does in fact have it's called

1138
00:49:21,350 --> 00:49:18,900
starfield and it has some real stars in

1139
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:21,360
it when it was first mooted by the late

1140
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:23,100
Chris poison I mentioned before as a

1141
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:26,490
project we enlisted the late professor

1142
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:29,730
Edward Morgan DMA medicine and Alistair

1143
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:32,610
J who's still alive as the stars of the

1144
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:34,830
star field and built the book around the

1145
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:36,450
contributions that they offered on it

1146
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:38,190
all three of them strongly supported the

1147
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:41,730
project and below them if you will it's

1148
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:43,950
gone the writers of the time in the in

1149
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:45,810
the late eighties like myself and Archie

1150
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:49,350
Troy and Chris place and then it

1151
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:52,410
introduces the winners and runners-up of

1152
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:54,450
the science fiction competition that I

1153
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:56,370
was running for the Oscar Harold at the

1154
00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:59,880
time so it will a talent and some of

1155
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:01,410
those newcomers have gone on to do great

1156
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:05,010
things so Wow so yeah it's a become very

1157
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:06,930
proud of the cobbles by Sidney Jordan

1158
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:09,480
and I mentioned before and it's now

1159
00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:11,970
being published in paperback by ed

1160
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:14,060
Murrow firm called shoreline of infinity

1161
00:50:19,070 --> 00:50:16,710
throughout started the first science

1162
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:19,080
fiction Scottish magazine for a long

1163
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:20,370
time and are doing very well with it

1164
00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:24,510
twelve issues to date and they published

1165
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:26,580
an anthology of my 10 travel stories

1166
00:50:31,230 --> 00:50:28,260
couple of years ago called the elements

1167
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:31,240
time which I was very pleased about

1168
00:50:35,339 --> 00:50:33,430
illustrated by throat nice in the jaw

1169
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:35,349
denies children from the sky is battling

1170
00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:39,790
so after 29 years star field is going to

1171
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:42,580
be reprinted in paperback which does

1172
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:43,930
make me feel that there must be

1173
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:46,270
something to adapt it up yeah

1174
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:48,730
well man congrats on just another

1175
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:51,810
accomplishment on a long list of them

1176
00:50:56,609 --> 00:50:55,030
being published the lunch will be at a

1177
00:50:59,609 --> 00:50:56,619
science fiction convention called

1178
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:59,619
satellite six which is being held in

1179
00:51:05,849 --> 00:51:02,800
Glasgow from the 25th to 27th of this

1180
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:05,859
month awesome so I will be there for the

1181
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:08,050
launch it's on the lady on the 25th I

1182
00:51:14,579 --> 00:51:11,020
wish I could be there to shop hop from

1183
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:14,589
with you oh sure yeah 11 hours the 10 I

1184
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:15,730
did it you know you're in California

1185
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:18,910
right exactly yeah I have flown directly

1186
00:51:24,859 --> 00:51:21,849
from Glasgow to California whoo 11 holes

1187
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:24,869
over the pool man come to done

1188
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:27,970
braver man than I I have to stop on the

1189
00:51:31,650 --> 00:51:29,950
East Coast first to stretch my legs I

1190
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:31,660
can't do it over six feet and one of

1191
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:34,660
those little tin cans but man I wish I

1192
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,510
could be there and Duncan I really am in

1193
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:39,520
awe of the amount of research and

1194
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:41,650
journalism that went into fleshing out

1195
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,050
the green children's story I'm holding

1196
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:46,000
out hope for the inner threads but no

1197
00:51:52,109 --> 00:51:48,550
doubt you have uncovered a lot about the

1198
00:51:54,540 --> 00:51:52,119
validity of the story the d-calif family

1199
00:51:56,099 --> 00:51:54,550
and so much of the surrounding context

1200
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,109
it's something you gotta respect so

1201
00:52:00,089 --> 00:51:58,480
kudos to you children from the sky is

1202
00:52:02,070 --> 00:52:00,099
the name of the book what else should

1203
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,080
people know about following up on your

1204
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:04,000
work your website all that good stuff

1205
00:52:20,359 --> 00:52:17,880
www.engvid.com happened I've been asked

1206
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:20,369
to write a series of articles for a

1207
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:23,740
website called the ancient origins so

1208
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:26,260
that's something to look out for so and

1209
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:28,510
certainly keeping very busy learn a lot

1210
00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:31,330
doing on yes man hell of a journey

1211
00:52:36,210 --> 00:52:34,660
solid again great work and keep doing

1212
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:36,220
what you do out there thanks for being

1213
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:36,550
here

1214
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:38,440
thank you very much for having me let's

1215
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:41,410
keep in touch so we Dolores to the

1216
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:43,270
construct people I hope you're still

1217
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,090
with me but Duncan

1218
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:48,480
bring in one hell of a story out into

1219
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:49,170
the light

1220
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:51,630
I'm so happy to have been able to do

1221
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:53,940
this show and to have this book on my

1222
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:56,430
shelf because I've always been a big fan

1223
00:53:01,280 --> 00:52:58,920
of this story in particular the green

1224
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:01,290
children of Woolpit is definitely one of

1225
00:53:05,570 --> 00:53:04,050
my favorite stories period so if you

1226
00:53:08,330 --> 00:53:05,580
don't agree maybe didn't like hearing

1227
00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,340
about it for two hours but to have done

1228
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:09,960
this amount of research to have done

1229
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,940
this amount of work I got so much

1230
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:12,960
respect for that

1231
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:16,350
I hope sometime someday I can do

1232
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:18,690
something as respectable sometimes I get

1233
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,330
that real itch to do primary research or

1234
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:23,040
work on something instead of just

1235
00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:24,840
talking into a microphone to the real

1236
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:27,060
champions the people but hey that's my

1237
00:53:33,350 --> 00:53:30,510
problem of course I do still differ from

1238
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:33,360
Duncan on his final conclusion but that

1239
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:35,880
doesn't really matter it doesn't make me

1240
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:38,670
like his book or this conversation any

1241
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,430
less and it happens all the time and

1242
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:43,140
people seem to not understand how you

1243
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:45,510
can like a person's work and still come

1244
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,650
to a different conclusion which is

1245
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:49,680
pretty silly but this is just a great

1246
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,470
example of it of how I can just be an O

1247
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:54,900
and respect of this guy's work the

1248
00:53:59,660 --> 00:53:57,150
detail and the sweat equity that's been

1249
00:54:02,450 --> 00:53:59,670
put into investigating it in these short

1250
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:02,460
lives we have and I read the book I do

1251
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:04,530
this show and I'm so much more convinced

1252
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:06,900
that something happened we have the

1253
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:09,630
details of the geopolitical curiosities

1254
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:11,790
we have Duncan tracing the lineage and

1255
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,220
the story sources we have some records

1256
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,920
and it's also super convincing that both

1257
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:19,140
accounts as you read them as Duncan said

1258
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,330
they both break into Latin and it's like

1259
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:23,040
what the hell is this doing here well

1260
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,020
all these sorts of things needed a

1261
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:27,900
formal clergy interrogation and there's

1262
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:30,060
the Latin this isn't just some vague

1263
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:33,090
broad story it's got depth and detail

1264
00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:35,850
and with all the respect in the world I

1265
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:37,320
just got a break from Duncan's

1266
00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:39,270
conclusion that they came from space I

1267
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:41,790
don't see enough to conclude that we

1268
00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:43,560
don't have a ship we don't really have

1269
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:46,470
any solid leads on technology or

1270
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:48,510
mechanisms that would put the kids in

1271
00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:49,710
Woolpit randomly

1272
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:52,620
Duncan says matter transmitter but

1273
00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:54,330
that's not something I can find on

1274
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:56,550
Amazon even today hundreds of years

1275
00:55:02,060 --> 00:54:58,650
later I do think that

1276
00:55:03,950 --> 00:55:02,070
idea of a medieval abduction campaign is

1277
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,960
super fascinating especially if it's

1278
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:06,960
tied into the elite of their day and it

1279
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:08,460
is weird that we have some shuffling

1280
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:12,050
around as if this event was expected or

1281
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:14,970
intercepted but I kind of find a

1282
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:17,130
disconnect between the meticulous

1283
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:18,990
research he's done on the case the

1284
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:22,220
historic stuff and how Cavalier I

1285
00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:24,810
consider him to be about the wild

1286
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:27,060
conclusion that they came from space and

1287
00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:28,830
were accidentally transported back with

1288
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:30,600
a matter transmitter device or some

1289
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:33,690
malfunction I think that's a leap I know

1290
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:36,030
he thinks the inner earth civilization

1291
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:38,430
is a huge leap whereas the evidence for

1292
00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:38,640
that

1293
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:41,670
I also don't have the astronomic

1294
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:43,500
expertise that he does either which

1295
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:45,570
weighs pretty heavily on the conclusion

1296
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,450
that he gives maybe if I did I would see

1297
00:55:52,610 --> 00:55:50,880
it his way so I don't discount that but

1298
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:52,620
the kids did emerge from an ancient

1299
00:55:58,610 --> 00:55:55,890
earthwork it's a vague term they did say

1300
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:58,620
they emerged suddenly maybe it's a

1301
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:00,270
dimensional shift maybe it's some kind

1302
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:03,750
of Bermuda Triangle ley line rip in

1303
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:06,510
reality maybe it's a hidden hyperspace

1304
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:09,200
kingdom they came tumbling out of I

1305
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:11,190
think this is just one of those things

1306
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:12,990
if you think it's possible that we have

1307
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:14,910
in our earth civilizations which doesn't

1308
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:17,250
require the earth to be Hollow of course

1309
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:19,050
although I still think there are plenty

1310
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:20,610
of examples where the force of spin

1311
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:22,740
pushes things outward leaving a cavity

1312
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:24,180
rather than the densest spot in the

1313
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:27,090
middle but regardless if you're open to

1314
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:28,650
the idea of beings in the earth

1315
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:31,500
obviously some human offshoot then with

1316
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:33,630
all the context and history duncan

1317
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:35,370
brings you've got no problem with the

1318
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:37,530
story but if you're more of the mind

1319
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,840
that there can be no or is no Inner

1320
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:41,520
Earth civilization and you're confronted

1321
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:42,930
with a story that seems to have legs

1322
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:45,660
then you need another answer and so

1323
00:56:51,590 --> 00:56:49,110
Duncan gives his best yes she says she's

1324
00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:51,600
from a place of Perpetual Twilight and a

1325
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:53,430
town across the rivers in constant

1326
00:56:58,580 --> 00:56:56,250
bright Sun Duncan sees this as the

1327
00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:58,590
description of a planet maybe it is but

1328
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:00,210
we've been through a lot of accounts of

1329
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:01,650
Inner Earth caves and tunnels which

1330
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,170
describe exactly that perpetual Twilight

1331
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:07,200
now it doesn't really make sense to me I

1332
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,180
don't know what that source of light is

1333
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,000
but cross-cultural you hear these

1334
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,400
stories if you read a tad Orpha that's

1335
00:57:18,590 --> 00:57:16,500
how the Inner Earth is described Sherman

1336
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:18,600
jr. also read that section from Graham

1337
00:57:24,740 --> 00:57:21,090
Hancock supernatural and I know I've

1338
00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:24,750
heard it many other places it's a lot to

1339
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:26,280
mull over though the fact that they were

1340
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:28,740
genetically compatible she had children

1341
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:31,470
I mean yes Duncan never claims these

1342
00:57:34,850 --> 00:57:33,210
kids are aliens he's clear about that

1343
00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:34,860
but if they're genetically compatible

1344
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:37,140
with us and only have a different tint

1345
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:39,720
to their skin for the most part sure it

1346
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,970
could be died from some space zoo or

1347
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,160
research facility that color codes its

1348
00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:46,020
abductees and the foods they can safely

1349
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:49,320
eat but you don't need to go to that

1350
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:51,990
extent to make the pieces fit if you're

1351
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:54,810
open to offshoots of humanity living in

1352
00:57:58,820 --> 00:57:57,270
the earth ultimately it is still a

1353
00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:58,830
mystery so I don't want to be too

1354
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:00,690
aggressive about that slight

1355
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:03,450
disagreement and I'm sure Duncan is very

1356
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:06,900
used to going over this work and having

1357
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:09,510
someone try to cling to that inner earth

1358
00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:12,210
element because it is such a big part of

1359
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:14,820
the legend so I'm sure he's no stranger

1360
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:18,930
to things I'm saying now he makes a

1361
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:21,300
great point about the swampy environment

1362
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:22,920
in the clay soil that there just aren't

1363
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:25,290
caves and tunnels there but you know I

1364
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:27,450
want to believe so I did some googling

1365
00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:29,670
and nodding him it's a hundred miles

1366
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:31,380
away from Walt Pitt it's a two-hour

1367
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:34,170
drive yeah 100 miles isn't necessarily

1368
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:36,750
next door but it's closer than San Diego

1369
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:40,290
is to LA it's really not that far but in

1370
00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:42,540
Nottingham there is a place called the

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00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:45,120
city of caves here's what wikipedia says

1372
00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:47,850
the city of caves is a visitor

1373
00:58:52,490 --> 00:58:50,100
attraction in Nottingham which consists

1374
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:52,500
of a network of caves carved out of

1375
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:55,890
sandstone that have been variously used

1376
00:59:01,760 --> 00:58:58,920
over the years as a tannery public house

1377
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:01,770
cellars and as an air-raid shelter

1378
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:04,050
city of Nottingham has hundreds of

1379
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:06,660
manmade caves which have been in use for

1380
00:59:11,060 --> 00:59:08,700
over a thousand years

1381
00:59:13,940 --> 00:59:11,070
I'm sure Duncan knows about this place

1382
00:59:15,830 --> 00:59:13,950
he has to it's not a secret and yeah

1383
00:59:17,350 --> 00:59:15,840
wolf it is a hundred miles closer to the

1384
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:17,360
coast which does make a difference

1385
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:19,110
geographically with the soil and

1386
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:21,570
everything but when you look at a map of

1387
00:59:27,350 --> 00:59:25,290
the caves in the United Kingdom though

1388
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:27,360
none of them land directly on Woolpit

1389
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:30,510
I wouldn't call caves and deep Inner

1390
00:59:35,570 --> 00:59:34,410
Earth tunnels in the area impossible I'd

1391
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:35,580
also don't think they've all been

1392
00:59:40,670 --> 00:59:38,010
discovered but the solar activity he

1393
00:59:43,610 --> 00:59:40,680
describes again is very interesting -

1394
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:43,620
and you got to factor that in when I go

1395
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,240
in other shows and they want to talk

1396
00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:47,280
weird I sometimes dust off the green

1397
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:49,320
children's story and throw it out there

1398
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:51,240
and I always note that geologists have

1399
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:52,710
identified a layer of the earth called

1400
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:55,260
the Moho layer it's 22 miles down it's

1401
01:00:00,140 --> 00:59:57,930
super porous like a sponge and it's a

1402
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:00,150
full layer of the earth that's got huge

1403
01:00:06,580 --> 01:00:02,970
cavities it's a layer probably

1404
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:06,590
everywhere under the land and oceans and

1405
01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:09,210
I contend that a lot of the stories of

1406
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:10,680
the Inner Earth could very well be

1407
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:13,050
related to this layer because 22 miles

1408
01:00:18,140 --> 01:00:15,690
is a long time to travel especially on

1409
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:18,150
foot but you could imagine that it

1410
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:20,370
happens here and there may be Bigfoot

1411
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,650
lives in the Moho layer and occasionally

1412
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,240
they just want to see the surface

1413
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:26,760
I don't know but 20 or 30 miles seems

1414
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:28,710
like just the right amount of distance

1415
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:32,610
for crossover to be very rare but to

1416
01:00:37,790 --> 01:00:35,730
happen every so often so I can't say I

1417
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:37,800
think where the children came from is

1418
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:40,740
pretty speculative either way but for

1419
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:42,570
someone to investigate this seriously

1420
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:45,030
and find that it definitely has legs is

1421
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:47,610
a great and impressive mark on the world

1422
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:50,130
in my opinion and mad respect

1423
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:52,260
if you liked hearing from Duncan let him

1424
01:00:57,380 --> 01:00:55,650
know you know he works hard I don't know

1425
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,390
if he's as appreciated as he should be

1426
01:01:02,180 --> 01:00:59,880
and I like when we can make people feel

1427
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:02,190
a little bit validated that's the power

1428
01:01:07,550 --> 01:01:06,030
of THC the little power we have also if

1429
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:07,560
you're out there in the publishing game

1430
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:09,420
and you heard the Plus show don't gonna

1431
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:11,160
have some new stuff he's looking to get

1432
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:12,750
published that would be a great

1433
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:15,690
connection to make as well but as always

1434
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:17,369
you only heard the free publicly

1435
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:19,079
available show you missed out on half

1436
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:21,270
the conversation today we talked about

1437
01:01:25,579 --> 01:01:23,730
honing in on the prospect of a matter

1438
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,589
transmitter and what that could mean

1439
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:27,780
Duncan's thoughts on the fairy lore in

1440
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:30,660
his region the site he'll stone circle

1441
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:33,960
the mystery of Newgrange the wider scope

1442
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:37,650
of human alien contact which may have

1443
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:41,700
been initiated in 10,500 BC the Amorim

1444
01:01:46,099 --> 01:01:43,950
aura object you know that duncan has a

1445
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:46,109
lot to say about space so I had asked

1446
01:01:50,589 --> 01:01:48,030
him about this recent event seems like a

1447
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:50,599
huge deal and he had some thoughts and

1448
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:53,640
for good measure we talked about the

1449
01:02:01,069 --> 01:01:57,450
strange curious body of a quote sort of

1450
01:02:04,790 --> 01:02:01,079
monster that seemed to have fallen to

1451
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:04,800
the ground in 1205 a very creepy

1452
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:07,770
description indeed so come join Plus at

1453
01:02:13,099 --> 01:02:10,050
the higher side chats plus comm join the

1454
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:13,109
family subscriptions have actually been

1455
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:15,750
on fire since I quit YouTube which is

1456
01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:17,609
really appreciated because I have a lot

1457
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:20,579
of stress over that situation and I

1458
01:02:23,569 --> 01:02:22,200
shouldn't even say I quit YouTube they

1459
01:02:26,829 --> 01:02:23,579
forced my hand

1460
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,839
I'd love to keep those 50,000 subs I

1461
01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:29,280
think YouTube is a huge vehicle for

1462
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:32,540
where people find the show now it's gone

1463
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,430
but here we are thanks to everyone who

1464
01:02:39,740 --> 01:02:37,440
listens and I'll see you next time

1465
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:39,750
your move medieval operators of the

1466
01:02:48,270 --> 01:02:41,609
Space Lab facility and the takers of

1467
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:53,430
woke up this morning with light in my

1468
01:03:02,200 --> 01:02:58,770
eyes and then realized it was time

1469
01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:07,880
it was the light coming down from the

1470
01:03:17,180 --> 01:03:08,680
sky

1471
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:21,920
must be those strangers that come every

1472
01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:27,480
night who's a saucer-shaped a light put

1473
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:33,990
people up tied the blue-green footprint

1474
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:39,450
is LED glow in the dark I hope

1475
01:03:48,030 --> 01:03:42,130
they get home

1476
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:54,220
mr. spaceman won't you please take me

1477
01:04:03,480 --> 01:03:55,690
along

1478
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:03,490
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1479
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:09,190
spaceman won't you please take me along

1480
01:04:22,769 --> 01:04:18,779
woke up this morning

1481
01:04:26,420 --> 01:04:22,779
feeling quite weird I had

1482
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:26,430
it's in my beer my tooth pain

1483
01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:30,240
[Music]

1484
01:04:38,579 --> 01:04:32,750
open my window

1485
01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:38,589
written my name so long

1486
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:46,160
[Music]

1487
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:49,670
mr. space

1488
01:05:01,259 --> 01:04:52,380
won't you please take me

1489
01:05:02,890 --> 01:05:01,269
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1490
01:05:05,330 --> 01:05:02,900
spaceman

1491
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:05,340
[Music]

1492
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:17,910
mr. spaceman

1493
01:05:24,910 --> 01:05:21,280
won't you please take me

1494
01:05:32,370 --> 01:05:24,920
I won't do anything

1495
01:05:39,630 --> 01:05:37,060
why don't you please take me along the

1496
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:39,640
high side